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Blue
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=899xdzyazNQ
Is this illegal? It doesn't look like it to me but several people have been complaining about this.
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TR_MasterRoss08
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No it isnt but wall jumping isnt allowed.
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Blue
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Did I ask about wall jumping -_-?
Anyways I did this yesterday and some FL guy was accusing me of wall jumping when I did this... it really pissed me off
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TR_MasterRoss08
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Well you cant wall jump off the roof. Wall jumping only happens on the ground 
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Blue
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I know.. one FL guy said it was illegal and accused multiple people of wall jumping when we did that.
So I want to be sure this is legal
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TR_yankeefan05
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As long as u dont wall jump and wall jump and end up at an impossible place to be on top of, its okay. The places u were jumping on were places easily accesible from running up the stairs at that cp and jumping to the across building and at the other, going up the stairs that is next to the cantina.
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~FL~Stewie G
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i dunno who said you did but no that isn't wall jumping at all. you just happened to spawn up there is my guess, something most people don't do at the start of the match on that side.
by the way you guys played well last night, congrats on the win.
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CHucKNoRRiS
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Personally I say no... thats similar to wall-jumping but we'll have a chat to see if this is allright.
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Blue
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Lol.. This is like running and jumping over a gap in deathstar.
Next thing to be illegal will be to not jump from the balcony in mustafar XD
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Alpha_522
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hopefully they don't ban jumping in swbf2 and make this game like guild wars where you cant jump 
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Bothan007
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I think it's similar to wall jumping in that an enimy may see you doing fancy things on roof-top, or appear out of no-where on roof-top and THINK you are wall jumping; but as far is fair-play, it is in no way a glitch, rather it exemplifies skill and character control.
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RagE_Visualizer
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In my opinion if rooftops werent meant to be part of the game then the maps wouldnt allow people to get on them.I mean if darktroopers can fly around to get on roof tops then who cares if anyone else can either.Just my opinion.
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Blue
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i agree. This IS COMPLETELY LEGAL imo.
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MUSA
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yes its legal...just play the game..lol
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Alpha_522
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Nice, good thing we didn't get our jumping ability away or it will be guild wars
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~FL~Crazyturtle
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well I saw someone do that but that isn't what I'm pissed about someone got behind me and shot me in the back, if anyone wants me to show them ingame just come hit me up on xfire and i'll show you why I got angry. On another note, it is basically impossible to catch someone with a screen shot so I think we ought to legalize this. Someone probably just got pwnt in a match because they were noobs and had never played with wall jumping so complained.
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CHucKNoRRiS
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For now it's allowed. It's really no glitching.. it's just jumping.
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~FL~Crazyturtle
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^^^say again???
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Alpha_522
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You are allowed to do the roof jumping thing not wall jumping. Hes responding to the topic.
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-=LW=-Leetwannabe
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Well wall jumping is just part of the poopty physics engine the principle that carries through for wall jumping caries through for making normal jumps. If you jump right before something that moves upward you get an extra boost on the jump. Alternately when jumping off a ledge your better jumping sooner rather then later.
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Bothan007
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Ok um I realize this thread is as good as DONE, but I just got caught up on the latest posts and would like to point out:
It's not just that darktroopers are "able" to get on rooftops, or normal people are "able" to...
THERE ARE STAIRS!!! lol, that wasnt an accident. And the buildings are so close together it's obvious that roof jumping (as far as i kno it) is totally legal. Fancy roof jumping may not have been something the programmers ever tried when they were testing the game, but I don't think that makes it legal. Gamers discover 90% of the cool tricks in every game...
glitches and cool tricks... What am i talking about... back to real life...
Nah, im just gunna go to sleep!
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~FL~Crazyturtle
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hey notice the fact this game ain't real life so why not legalize this move? Hell, it's the freaking star wars universe maybe the game designers put these things in the game like det throwing to save there piece of crap game cuz everything about it pretty much sucks compared to other games.
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TR_MasterRoss08
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Originally written by ~FL~Crazyturtle on 2007-06-11 1:53 AM
hey notice the fact this game ain't real life so why not legalize this move? Hell, it's the freaking star wars universe maybe the game designers put these things in the game like det throwing to save there piece of crap game cuz everything about it pretty much sucks compared to other games.
Well, you can see this from another angle as well. Star Wars is far from real life. You see jedi performing feats that cant be done with your own physical abilities and then the weapons. And I can go on and on with list after list but lets just leave it at that what makes star wars fun is the unreal actions some characters do.
Det packs im sure were not meant to be used by how we use them but the same can be said with mines and rockets by the way we use them. Im sure they were meant to counteract vehicles but we should be able to use them against humans since you are able to.
I would have to agree with Vis on Roof jumping. If they didnt want us up there there wouldnt be stairs or even a roof to land on if that was the case. They oculdve just made the buildings large enough where dark and jet troopers couldnt reach them or even have stairs to walk on the roofs.
We all know that Lucasarts did a poor job on updates etc for a variety of reasons so chances are there will be some unreal feats that we can do because the lack of updates lucasarts has done for this game.
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-=LW=-Leetwannabe
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you can reload while rolling, tell me this is a realistic game.
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eX FooKage
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Ive had a few matches with this kind of thing going on, and I have to say, if you can get there WITHOUT a wall jump, then it should be deemed legal.
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~FL~Crazyturtle
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you can do this on almost every roof from certain angles.
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-=LW=- Weezer
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Wall jumping should be legal. Im never changing my stance until I hear a good argument against it.
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RagE_Visualizer
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OK enough,for now on people its simple,read the rules.Does anyone see in the rules for the past "several events" any rule regarding wall jumping being legal or illegal.Therefor if theres no rule against it I dont see what the debate is all about.
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-(DW)-Krayt88
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Originally written by -=LW=- Weezer on 2007-06-24 12:12 PM
Wall jumping should be legal. Im never changing my stance until I hear a good argument against it.
Um, its a glitch. How is that not a good argument?
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TR_yankeefan05
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And its a glitch that can be avoided unlike detpack throws or wookie/darky rolls.I wodner why it was removed and not in the rules anymore.
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RagE_Visualizer
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How about a lot of bot glitches,so we completely remove bots from the events to stop them also?
Jawas taking flags
I've seen bots wall jumping on Mos Esily
I've seen 3 bots in a row follow each off the side on kamino to thier death which results in lowering ticket counts.
I mean these are part of the game are they not?We deal with it just like anything else.My opnion is if on a map there are places accessible then if people cant get there then fine.Why should Dark Troopers have the ability to make map completely lopsided by allowing them to get on any rooftop when as rebs were saying,if there isnt a stair case then you cant go on the roof.
There are parts of the game that are just part of the game and people should just accept it and play with that.Why is everyone so focused on maintaining or looking for things so they can just accuse and make accusations at people for?
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-(DW)-Krayt88
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You're right vis, there are stair cases going up to building tops, so how about we use them instead of glitching our way up the side of a building, jumping 3 times the normal height to get up on top of a building. There is a difference between jawas taking the flag and players glitching to get from the ground to the roof tops, mainly that it is in fact a human player who is doing the glitching. Now jumping from roof top to roof top is just part of the game, we dont need to complain about that, but the ability to stand next to a building and triple your vertical leap is a glitch. If we allow wall jumping then we might as well allow other structural glitches. Lets go ahead and let people get inside of walls and camp on CPs where they cant be killed. That'll be fun.
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DS_Mav
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Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-26 11:55
There are parts of the game that are just part of the game and people should just accept it and play with that.Why is everyone so focused on maintaining or looking for things so they can just accuse and make accusations at people for?
sorry to be a stickler...but...
Defining a Glitch
"1. a defect or malfunction in a machine or plan.
2. Computers. any error, malfunction, or problem. Compare bug1 (def. 5).
3. a brief or sudden interruption or surge in voltage in an electric circuit.
–verb (used with object)
4. to cause a glitch in: an accident that glitched our plans."
...does it sound like anywhere in there that it glitches are on purpose...are just supposed to happen...that they are a good thing...that they should be used...Didn't think so...
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RagE_Visualizer
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Ok fine we'll ban wall glitching,and Player Names are going to be on for all events.So if anyone is going to accuse someone in the future you need to have a screenshot showing that players name as thier doing the act.Cause weve all see bots even do the wall jump thing and were not going to have people making accusations against people unless they have solid proof.
One of the reasons it was removed in the first place was because of to many people making accusations with no solid proof.Which became more disruptive and created more arguments then just letting it happen.
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-=LW=- Weezer
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we have yet to hear a good argument against it.
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-=LW=-Leetwannabe
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Wall jumping is do to the way the physics engine of swbf2 is designed. It is an unintended result of crappy designing. You can do the same thing as wall jumping in similar areas and got a nice jump. But it all other situations its mostly pointless because there's nothing to jump on.
Another result of the physics engine is that you must jump before you reach the end of a ledge to go the farthest, jumping later you don't get to where you need to go.
With the wall jumping you can jump at the wall and due to your speed the curvature of the wall brings you upward. Similarly if you jump before steps you can get a little boost. But jumping isn't really that great a thing so no one cares.
Regardless personally I find wall jumping to be somewhat of a balancer. It gives people on the ground a better way to get up onto buildings and fight the people already on buildings. Quite honestly though if your on top of a building and you watch someone wall jump up and then they kill you your just horrible. Because its incredibly easy to oneshot someone when they land on top of the roof. W/e its not a huge deal and we can with or with out so I don't care a whole lot. I just have too much free time.
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-=LW=- Weezer
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Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-26 4:03 PM
.Cause weve all see bots even do the wall jump thing and were not going to have people making accusations against people unless they have solid proof.
That settles it. Bots do it which would obviously mean the game makers intended for it to occur. So its not a glitch. GG.
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-=LW=- Weezer
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The first line of the above post is by Visualizer. The bottom half is mine.
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Miner
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Well, Im to the point on not caring anymore. Im tired of hearing about bots this and wall jump that. People are going to do what they are going to do. If some want to exploit a poor design to get an advantage so be it and I wish them the best at it.
This applies to all games that you play online. I have yet to see a "lock down, solid, no glitch no cheat" game out there. If someone develops an anti-cheat for a game, someone else develops a cheat for it same with glitches and patches. As soon as a patch is released, someone finds another glitch to exloit.
My bottom line here and its just my opinion, if you want to glitch in a wall, wall jump, shoot fire out your bum, then go ahead. Can we just play the dang game and stop complaining about every little thing?
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~FL~Stewie G
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To implement it again from a standpoint of other games, why do people dolphin dive in Battlefield 2? It's cause it gives them an advantage. Mainstream leagues can't write a rule against it (though they tried unsuccessfully, it still happens and people generally accept it). Do you think devs intended half of what is put in the game? Probably not. People, taking advantage of what a game has to offer you short of wall hacking (here defined as going through a wall or area that quite obviously *should* be solid and unpassable) is part of playing that game. The fact that some people are better at it than others is almost the same as saying we shouldn't use rocket troops to fight infantry. I think that example has been used before but it applies here.
My main point is, every game has its physics engines torn apart once the players get a hold of it. Just accept it. Unless like BF2 the devs care enough to change it (which they have tried many times) then there is nothing to do about it.
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-=LW=- Weezer
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A lot of you guys against wall jumping have said it gives an advantage. Im know that rebels, emipre, CIS, and republic can all wall jump. The advantage comes when one person is on a roof and their opponnent cant get up. Because if you know anything about this game, you know the height advantage is everything. Wall jumping just evens the playing field.
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RagE_Visualizer
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Do you relize how ridiculous this is sounding?
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~FL~Crazyturtle
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No this is clear and concise logic vis. Just wondering are you able to wall jump? If the answer is no then you are incompetent and deserve to get pwnt if you are capable then obviously the ability to wall jump does not change the playing field in terms of fairness. In short say you don't know how to throw a det well that's your own problem the other team should not be held responsible for your lack of knowledge of the game. Same is true with the wall jump. Everyone can do it if they spend time on the game learning how.
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Intrigue
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I think that wall jumping on Mos Eisley is just like detpack throwing or DT rolling. They are the result of the poor game design but are too mainstream to call "glitches". Take a look at det throwing. I doubt players were supposed to be able to throw large explosives like grenades, but almost every player does it. Would you try and ban det throwing? No. On the same token, most players use wall jump on Mos Eisley. The advantage comes when one players doesn't know how and the other does. If that is going to be banned, then why not ban det throwing? If one player doesn't know how it is a huge advantage. Just accept the poor design and stop making so many waves...
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