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User Profile 1.Player Names will be turned on for all events going forward,no exeptions.
2.Making false accusations ingames will be viewed as harrassment and result in a possible ban from an event.If a screenshot is received about a player making accusations during a match it will be viewed as interference.The team with the player making the accusations will be given an automatic forfeit of the match and action taken against the individual.Bottom line is keep quiet during a match and play.If a player makes accusations do not get in a argument with them,simply take screenshots and report it to a mod.
3.There is no rule preventing subbing in matches or changing the players who are playing,if you agree to play a match 2v2 or higher then it shouldnt matter if a club has to change players last minute or after a round if one player cant play.Bottom line is if you agrre to play,be prepared to play and stop trying to force set team lineups for matches.If a player leaves a match or refuses to play after a match has started because the other team has to use a sub,then the team whos players left and refused to play will be charged with a forfeit.
4.I would also like to stress,that SWBFII has a team of mods,situations arising during events should be addressed to and handled by this mod team.Clubs who try and use a mod from a different gaming area to handle situations in this section will be percieved as trying to manipulate a situation to thier advantage and subject to being removed from the event and future events.
No discussion on this,if people wont shut up and play then they will punished for ruining the matches for everyone else.SO be careful who you team with,if thier known be a trouble maker it could result in you getting a forfeit for thier actions.
Also right out of the ER Terms of use it is written"Violation of rules, cheating, arguments and unfounded accusations against any members, clubs, or ER staff will not be tolerated and can lead to a temporary or total ban. Person(s) witness to these violations must bring it to the attention of an Ecliptical Realms Moderator. Screenshots, text chats and recorded conversations are recommended as a submission of proof. Without proof, the accusations can be deemed unfounded."
Now all we are doing is enforcing this with action to prevent more problems.
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User Profile Kudos!!!!
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User Profile I would also like to stress,that SWBFII has a team of mods,situations arising during events should be addressed to and handled by this mod team.Clubs who try and use a mod from a different gaming area to handle situations in this section will be percieved as trying to manipulate a situation to thier advantage and subject to being removed the event and future events.
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User Profile Ill stay out, now worries.
Just listen to accusations and stop deleting my posts from here.. Once again covering up what you wont do to ensure fair gaming for one clan you have a grudge against
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User Profile He doesnt have a grudge against u guys and u arent making anyone who maybe dislikes TR like u anymore ashyr what compells u to throw around bs like this?just shut ur mouth for a little while maybe ur insecure about ur mod skills thus u bash other mods ay? im getting tired of this ashyr . plz ashyr were doing the best we can just stay out of this!
P.S. Vis rocks!
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User Profile Ashyr I've never seen you ingame, we oughta play together sometime.
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User Profile for some one to come in the SWBFII section and make posts about a game he doesnt play,shouldnt you go play in your own JKA events that your a supposed mod for? Besides, I've counted 8 matches you've played since las November so in the time your spending pissing people off here shouldn't you go play in your own event? I mean come on Ashyer...
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User Profile we have been saying this for months!!
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User Profile And on top of that Ashyr, you are complaining about a fair event and yet you turned the JKA Saberweeks into an all Euro event completely not caring about USA clubs and all the players who used to play in "your" event. And then you talk about fair, why dont you go spend time fixing your event before it dies and stay out of other peoples business.
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User Profile And on top of that...saberweek used to have over 500 matches in events until you took it over and now its lucky to have 100...so sad for such a great event that was here
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User Profile Well Ashyr to be honest I'm tired of TR's bullpoop. Okay they've narrowly beat us in both cw 11 and fw 6. Which if TR was better then us it wouldn't bother me. But they aren't. They just exploit the stats. Yes they will play us now and then, but they will only play us for one map and just 2v2's or 3v3s. Whereas you will see tr play de or ex for 5v5s. Because they know they can win, this is in effect exploiting the stats system. Causing it to be based much less so on skill.
Now Ashyr if you want to try to tell me that TR beat us in cw 11 and fw 6 because they are more skilled then us. Then quite simply prove it.
Get together a team of 4-5 we'll set a time we can each pick a map. And you know what we'll win probably 4-0. Why because TR isn't the clan I'm concerned about beating. Maybe if it was TOH I wouldn't be sure that we'd win 4-0. But TR yea I'm pretty sure.
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User Profile Ashyr the thousand clubs of the ecliptacal realms empire descend upon u! This is madness! this is ASHYR!
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User Profile Whoa...they cant beat us...lol I'll put my beat vs thiers any day of the week..
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User Profile ya im gonna have to agree with musa and leet....and also ashyr im really sick of this tend to your own event
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User Profile Still don't get why your posting here Ashyr I haven't seen you play a SWBF2 game in like 5 months and when you did play you complained so stick to your own event.
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User Profile I love it when admins flame each other.
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User Profile I know CrazyTurtle.
None of this would be happening if 1 of my members were listened to and nto ignored on Xfire about a possible wrong setting in an event. Reason given for not listening: Tr casues sooo much trouble so ill ignore you and just let people get away with whatever
Very Fair aye.
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User Profile I take back all of that guys.
I apologize for stepping into the SWBF2 gaming area. I will next time anything comes from a member in TR, try really hard to route it through 1 of the SWBF2 mods. Even if ones not on, I will make all efforts to get it to one of them, and HOPE that it will be looked into fairly.. If it isnt, then its still out of my hands.
Ash
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User Profile Originally written by -=LW=-Leetwannabe on 2007-06-28 1:08 AM
Well Ashyr to be honest I'm tired of TR's bullpoop. Okay they've narrowly beat us in both cw 11 and fw 6. Which if TR was better then us it wouldn't bother me. But they aren't. They just exploit the stats. Yes they will play us now and then, but they will only play us for one map and just 2v2's or 3v3s. Whereas you will see tr play de or ex for 5v5s. Because they know they can win, this is in effect exploiting the stats system. Causing it to be based much less so on skill.
Now Ashyr if you want to try to tell me that TR beat us in cw 11 and fw 6 because they are more skilled then us. Then quite simply prove it.
Get together a team of 4-5 we'll set a time we can each pick a map. And you know what we'll win probably 4-0. Why because TR isn't the clan I'm concerned about beating. Maybe if it was TOH I wouldn't be sure that we'd win 4-0. But TR yea I'm pretty sure.
Well Ashyr to be honest I'm tired of TR's bullpoop. Okay they've narrowly beat us in both cw 11 and fw 6. Which if TR was better then us it wouldn't bother me. But they aren't. They just exploit the stats. Yes they will play us now and then, but they will only play us for one map and just 2v2's or 3v3s. Whereas you will see tr play de or ex for 5v5s. Because they know they can win, this is in effect exploiting the stats system. Causing it to be based much less so on skill.
Now Ashyr if you want to try to tell me that TR beat us in cw 11 and fw 6 because they are more skilled then us. Then quite simply prove it.
Get together a team of 4-5 we'll set a time we can each pick a map. And you know what we'll win probably 4-0. Why because TR isn't the clan I'm concerned about beating. Maybe if it was TOH I wouldn't be sure that we'd win 4-0. But TR yea I'm pretty sure.
Does anyone in TR have a response to this?
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User Profile Originally written by -=LW=- Weezer on 2007-06-28 5:23 PM
Does anyone in TR have a response to this?
Does anyone in TR have a response to this?
In war, the most skilled does not always win.
I don't want this to continue this little flaming that's going on. The conflicts had seemingly been behind us and I have no intention of throwing fuel on the fire. So please stop "calling us out" LW, it will get you nowhere.
Why can't you just admit it and tell us good job that we won in FlagWeek? We didn't throw it in anyone's faces.
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User Profile Perhaps in war the most skilled does not always win.
But this is a video game.
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User Profile Why would I say good job a team that knows that cant touch us and never did. I was in the server when TR's supposed top 3 quit when they saw leet and I were playing a while back.
Don't kid yourself. TR is not in the top 5 clans in this game. You have 0 players in the top 50 in this game.
Let's schedule a 5v5 right now. Your best against ours. Visualizer could spectate and broadcast the match for everyone's listening in TS.
We will actuly play man down conquest. Kamino and Tantive. Accept or puss out one more time?
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User Profile OOH...-=de=- MAY TAKE THAT CHALLENGE..ALL IN GOOD FUN OF COURSE..LOL
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User Profile I'll be there to hear that shout cast
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User Profile Musa we can if you really want, but we have nothing against DE. You dont avoid us then beleive you won an event.
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User Profile Your so pathetic. We won, period. Make more excuses...
That's why personally we cant get along.. Your attitude.
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User Profile Go through TR's matches and see who they played. That's all you have to do to deermine their skill level. If you're so good accept the challenge.
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User Profile HEY ashyr...how many games did u win??
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User Profile I dunno about ashyr personally I went 17-0.
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User Profile Im siding with LW on this I believe that TR is exploiting the stats system and encourage that if TR believes that they are not and that they truly are the best clan that they should participate in the match against LW, and not just a 3v3 or 2v2 but a real match larger match such as a 5v5. And about the thing how the most skilled don’t always win. . .that’s somewhat true as there can be freak chance and good days and bad days, but in my opinion LW would beat TR in a 5v5 99.9% of the time and that .1 would be LW recruiting all the WRL and putting them in as their starters.
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User Profile ok guys look..the system is just that..whether u feel they expolit it or not, they won via the point system...so congrats..theres no need to argue this anymore. If you have a better alternative to the system..let me know and well see what we can do...
or next time..juts own them and knock their victory totals down..lol
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User Profile The only time we played them only LW vrs only TR we won 10 flags to none. They wont play any bigger than a 3v3 and will only do 1 map so its basically impossible to pass them no mateer how hard we spank them.
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User Profile TR wouldn't even play LT, and our record in the event was less than great. Their member responded to my challenge with "Oh, I don't feel like playing any more Flag Week matches, and I don't think my clanmates want to either." I asked for a 3v3, and they had 3 guys on at the time.....so what is that?
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User Profile 'm not saying what they did was honorable..not in the least...but its your word against theirs...I can not force people to play against harder clans...no one can..If clans feel they need to win via beating easy clans only, then yeah theyll get the award, but they have no respect from the actual community..I see that TR has not accepted the challenge from LW, I suggest posting on thier forums or pm thier leaders for a match...best I can do guys..we all know who elite here, don't need an award to prove that..do we?
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User Profile Thank you MUSA. Everything you said sums it up really. I could argue that playing 10 games and getting 1st is stat padding.. Its strategy as much as anything. Ill end there
Now with my guarantee to stay out of SWBF2 there should be no problems between us. If you keep going on, It should be frowned upon on your part.
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User Profile wonderful
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User Profile Well we cant mandate match sizes cause this isnt a set team size with ladders.And also people do need to relize as I have gotten xfires ragarding the stat system.This is not a skill only based event.And let's discuss Conquest Week for a moment.
If you look at the point breakdown it does reward for activity.
Clubs Rankings stat system breakdown:
Activity points:
-Ranked Games Played [10.00 Max]
-Avg.Games per Player [10.00 Max]
Total of 20 points possible
Skill points:
-Victory Ratio [15.00 Max]
-Attrition ratio [15.00 Max]
-Avg. Points per game [15.00 Max]
-Avg. Enemy points per game [15.00 Max]
-Team Bonus ratio [10.00 Max]
Total of 70 points possible
Playing Opponents:
Unique Opponent Ratio [10.00 Max]
Avg. Rating Played [0.60-1.00]
Total of 11 points possible
Total possible points for a club to earn is 101.00
Now looking at all of this,skill is clearly more heavily weighed upon in Conquest Week however with the other possible points that can be earned it's meant to add some balance and also promote activity.Now are people using certain aspects of the stats to thier advantage,of course they are which is why we some outcomes like we do.
Now having said that lets all understand a few things,the clubs who keep playing small matches and a lot of matches are clearly adding up the activity points.
Now they might be considered stat padding if they keep playing the same people over and over but thier also penelized for that now also with losing points in the unique opponents which deducts points for playing the same players over and over and also for playing lower rating players over and over.The ability is coming shortly for everyone to be able view a clubs matches played and a breakdown of who they played so it will out for all to see if a club is playing someone over and over again.
Now this past CW I saw a lot of large matches played,which I admit is a lot of fun,but also if people want to talk stats then relize when you play large matches,factor in the time involved it takes to set and play,then the others are taking advantage of playing more and smaller matches.Easiest way to to give a club a run for the money,look at all aspects of the stats system and use it as they do to get the most possible points.Difference is if everyone started doing a lot more matches of all sizes which resulted in more games played per club it would balance out the activity side of stats leaving mainly skill points to determine the outcomes since it is the skill points that have the most weight on the events.
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User Profile Originally written by Ashyr on 2007-06-29 5:07 PM
Thank you MUSA. Everything you said sums it up really. I could argue that playing 10 games and getting 1st is stat padding.. Its strategy as much as anything. Ill end there
Now with my guarantee to stay out of SWBF2 there should be no problems between us. If you keep going on, It should be frowned upon on your part.
Thank you MUSA. Everything you said sums it up really. I could argue that playing 10 games and getting 1st is stat padding.. Its strategy as much as anything. Ill end there
Now with my guarantee to stay out of SWBF2 there should be no problems between us. If you keep going on, It should be frowned upon on your part.
1 ashyr you're an admin so you should have shut up a while back *frown at you*
2 ashyr I'm still having a hard time remembering who you are. Oh ya maybe If you actually played the game huh.
3 yes you shouldn't have to playing with less skilled clans but TR is forcing us to since they seem to be winning lot's of events when they don't deserve the wins
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User Profile Don't pretend like we're persecuting you. You posted here and now you're getting tonrn to pieces just like in game.
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User Profile Well fine tr won.
If everyone is quite satisfied with this result that it results in the following discoveries.
The er stat system does not reflect skill.
It is easily exploited.
No one really cares a lot about skill.
Gwl is in actuality still better.
Cheesecake is the best food ever.
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User Profile cheescake is ok...
ER does reflect skill as MOST clans play everyone...GWL would be fine but those of us who play after 9pm PST never can get a match at GWL, so its flawed as well..
ER is still the best..
ashyr should be tarred and feathered..lol
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User Profile Okay ER reflects skill lets see.
Flag week 6 winners
1. TR
2. LW
3. DW
4. TOH
5. DS
Now order of skill level of the clans that participated in fw
1. LW
2. Toh
3. FL
3. LT
5. TR
Now its debateable whether lw is better then toh and fl better then lt, but they're all better then tr. So if er reflects skill why did TR come in first, LW second, toh fourth, and I suppose fl and lt we're unranked. Still doesn't seem to be reflecting too much skill.
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User Profile I can see if TR didnt play u guys at all..however they did..so the win is legit..next time just play them more and beat them that way..otherwise Tr was declared the winners and thats that...let it go
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User Profile Yea this event came about a week after we formed and we dont really care for CTF with bots to much. . .CW we should be in more matches and leet as a matter of opinion I think Pwn is prolly 5th Pwn vs TR would be pretty close though
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User Profile as i was told and seen screnshots..TR beat LW on mustafar..so i dont think they would place 6th..and DE wasnt there or youd all be owned...lol
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User Profile Ashyr, I don't see why you posted here when I was obviously addressing the situation. I specifically wanted to avoid saying anything to further inflame the situation such as what you said, regardless of whether I agree with you or not. I do not appreciate you making the situation worse.
While I do not feel I need to defend any actions on the part of TR the past CW12 and FW, I will say that we played as many people as possible. Blackballing was addressed as requested and is not an issue. It was difficult to play some players because even though we originated challenges, some players refuse to play with bots. I hope to continue to face more clans in future events here.
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User Profile you can start by accepting my challenge.
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User Profile Originally written by MUSA on 2007-06-29 11:38 PM
cheescake is ok...
ER does reflect skill as MOST clans play everyone...GWL would be fine but those of us who play after 9pm PST never can get a match at GWL, so its flawed as well..
ER is still the best..
ashyr should be tarred and feathered..lol
cheescake is ok...
ER does reflect skill as MOST clans play everyone...GWL would be fine but those of us who play after 9pm PST never can get a match at GWL, so its flawed as well..
ER is still the best..
ashyr should be tarred and feathered..lol
i do believe half our matches on GWL are past 12:30am eastern time.
i didn't bring GWL into this but i'll defend it, even though i'm not an admin there anymore.
I wouldn't defend ER to save my life until more things got changed.
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User Profile i wasnt putting GWL down...lol. I just can never get a clan to play me team after 9pm pst..if you know some, feel fre to contact me and ill be happy to challenge
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User Profile ^^^BRING THE HEAT
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User Profile heh..ok LT has challenged -=DE=- to a match...let the good times roll. I have never played LT before..hell i havent played this game in a while..so this should be fun...
ooh in case you saw...changing the topic..lol
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User Profile Okay well I know this whole thread went down the crapper cause of some idiotic posts here but I would really like to remind everyone why this entire thread was started and go back and read the first post and make sure your members do as well.
We will be taking a zero tolerance approach going forward,especially with regards to people making false accusations.You better have solid proof before you decide to make a claim against anyone,wether it be to a mod or even during a match.Any false accusations will be viewed as a clear violation of ER's Terms of Use Policy.
So before you go making accusations and cause a huge argument,you better be sure you have actual proof of something or you "will" find yourself banned from the event and possibly future events going forward.
If it becomes clear that this is not an isolated player problem but rather an entire club problem then that entire club may be removed and stopped from participating in events going forward.
Bottom line is we want the BS to stop and people just get back to gaming and have some fun.
Thread frozen and once again please read the rules.