Yes it affects your win/loss ratio, but in a positive way in the case of playing more matches. There is a simple fix. Make a 1v1 worth a percentage of the win/loss ratio as compared to say a maximum of 8v8. When you win a 2v2, it gives you 25% of the normal score in the win/loss ratio category as an 8v8 (which is widely considered the standard size for most games... 5v5's are rarely the normality.) Another fix would be to change the stats back to the way they were initially because with this system it fixes a lot of the skill part of the scores meaning we don't have to raise them to compensate for those that play 2000 matches with two players and whether they won or lost they had more points. THAT is the main issue here, people playing way too many small matches and getting WAY too inflated scores in the other multiple categories because of it.

If you play a 1v1 to 30 tickets, you're going to run into the person at least three times if you're smart enough to try and capture and keep the command posts rather than just cycle around the map. The lowered ticket count means that you won't have as much chance to farm for posts, kills, or anything else, and it only counts for a smaller part of the score rather than a representation of how your whole clan is doing, which is the whole point of this. You're still going for cps because if you lose them all, you lose. I don't see how your point makes sense here.

The lowered ticket count means that you won't have as much chance to farm for posts, kills, or anything else

Okay so first you say that you don't get to capture cps and then you go on about cp loss. The whole point of Conquest mode isn't to draw out a fight as long as you can, its to capture the command posts, CONQUER the other team. You have to at the very least react to which CPs the other team is capturing to do this effectively, or yes, you will lose because the other team is capturing your command posts and you can't do anything about it cause you can't kill them because they are better or at least smarter when moving around. That's the whole point of it. Thats why you play the game. You should always have to worry about both your reinforcements and your command posts. ALWAYS.

Don't know how often you've played a 5v5+ but if you've played as many as I have you know that if teams are somewhat evenly matched with 200 tickets 80% of the time the ticket drain is what wins the match. This doesn't promote inflated kill death ratios as they will be higher because you are playing more people anyway, but with the time aspect it evens out the ratio you would get with multiple 1v1's. This way the 5v5's are still safe as well because of the team bonus factored in if you do win by CPs.

Wins and losses effect your overall score tremendously because thats what matters the most, whether you win or not. I mean duh. And how the heck, if you are able to play more games at a faster rate, will that interfere with whether you win or lose more? It doesn't... at all. It simply changes the rate and way you play games. It actually INCREASES it. But it's still a RATIO, if you lose more than you win, it should be lower no matter how many games you have played. What you're thinking of is games played being overstacked with a lot of small games played, and I've already offered two options for dealing with that. Another option on top of this is more games required to play to get ranked to balance it out if it happens to become an issue

If the event is supposed to be purely fun then we would play without stats. It is *meant* to be competitive, though the stats system prevents it at the moment. Now, most clans have the most fun being competitive, and since you can play more actively in an event like this, that is what draws the clans in. NOT that you can play a 2v2 for 30 minutes. That doesn't draw anyone in at all and in most people's opinions isn't very fun at all (I'm sure if you ask around you will find most people agree). I also argue that it takes much more skill to play and react faster to a lower ticket count against a singular player than it does to plow through bots, boosting your stats. You have to react to which command posts are being captured a lot more, and that sir is the point of the Conquest mode. Also, it may mean you're going to be outcaptured sooner or outticketted sooner, but the point of it isn't to make it longer once again, its to make it shorter WITHOUT bolstering stats to make it more even to the point spread for those that HAPPEN to play 5v5+'s. It's unfair to the people that play bigger matches if you get a 40 and 2 kill death ratio against a bunch of bots on a 1v1 and they get a 11 and 5 in a 5v5.

So farming is a part of how conquest is played?

Hahaha... I'll let you simmer over that one. There's no way in heck I'll sit around and wait to kill someone else if I can win more effectively another way. Anyone who does so is further boosting their own stats and not being fair competitively to someone else.

I think you missed the part where it was mentioned that if this system was implemented it wouldn't need bots. That makes the command posts you capture that more important especially with a 30 ticket count. If you look at the first post, the 3rd option is the one I'm leaning towards, making it a 30 ticket count in a 1v1. That's plenty of time to get 2-5 post captures maximum if you're not farming, if you are farming you'll get 200 but thats true of any ticket count you play. When you are going mano e mano, what you do FAR impacts what the other person does as compared to having a bot on the field. When you have a partner without bots however, it brings into the mix flanking rather than reaction, so its supposed to be a different strategy in either case and allows it to be with the lower ticket counts.

Um Yeah duh I'm trying to change the way its played because it makes things MUCH MORE FAIR competitively as well as giving no advantage either way for smaller clans nor bigger clans, and any issues of such have already been addressed.

Basically, I don't want to see inflated scores from 2v2's ruin the way the stats are because that has been the norm for quite some time. This evens it out so you can still play as many 2v2's as you want, but you won't get the same team bonus and attrition ratio out of it, two other HUGE SKILL RELATED factors that are pumped up because of bots and ticket counts.

I will say only one thing. If you require bots to win a match, that speaks for itself.

Originally written by ~FL~Stewie G on 2007-06-04 9:52 PM

I'm not trying to change it to become more like GWL. I'm trying to change it to accomodate those that want a more accurate depiction of skill levels.

People know who's better than who in any case, but playing a lot of matches under the guise, for guise it is, of a "competition" is what brings people in, definently NOT the current rule and playset. People want to play more often and ER allows for that. That's the only reason people come here. Given the competitive state of every other league and game in EXISTANCE, people would enjoy playing more competitively to have more fun with more accurate stats. You can't argue that with your past events as this is the only place they have ever taken place. It's like comparing your kindergarten education to your post-high school one. You only see things one way in kindergarten.

Like I said before, I'll play the same way I've been playing which is fine for me and I'm sorry if it impacts my clan negatively. I'm their leader but in most issues I don't speak, or I do but too harshly on behalf of them.

If I believed this was a true indicator of skill I wouldn't say anything. If the admins admitted that the way it is currently was not an accurate as it can be indication of skill, I would shut up. That's a compromise for you... say what you know to be true and you get one of your main proponents of change to shut up and become an even more active participant in your event.