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FORFIET ISSUE
 Maelstrom Last Activity 2007-12-23 4:32 PM
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-(DW)-Shellhound

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Subject : FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-24 8:19 PM
Post #14557

We have an issue with DS.  Today at 8:00 we had to finish a match that happened at  6:00 the previous day, Monday.  The first match we had could not finish the second round of the map because DS had only one player left in what was originolly a 3v3.  they could not continue.  Thus we decided to make it up at a later time or DS would forfiet  So today at 8:00 we played the second match, first when we were going to make it live, Frostblade one of our members had to much lag to play thus had to drop.  DS would not stop the match even though they had to make it up and we would be able to play if Frost reconected and restarted.   Thus we would forfiet unless we made up the match in 48 hours same as DS.  Frostblade was able to reconnect and at the time DS said we could restart, as obviously we needed to make it up in the next 48 hours and since we all still were around (and frost fixed his issues with lag)   we decided to play it then.  We were losing pretty badly (we were pac camp gibralter) but we came back and capped them out even having to instruct a player he could not spawn or we would lose, and came back to win it 1 to 0.  DS ammediatly complained that that shouldn't be legal and we should have to take a forfiet.  My claim is that we were having issues with lag and we made up the game in 48 hours as had they.  The game had been made up but they thought they were getting screwed cause they lost.  We made up the match but they stil want us to forfiet.  Who is in the right here?
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-24 8:19 PM
Post #14558 - In reply to #14557

also this is -=SM=- DRE@D  having trouble with my main account
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-(DW)-Shellhound

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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-24 8:27 PM
Post #14559 - In reply to #14557

Nevermind this has been resolved
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-25 8:23 AM
Post #14575 - In reply to #14557

Originally written by -(DW)-Shellhound on 2007-04-24 8:19 PM

We have an issue with DS.  Today at 8:00 we had to finish a match that happened at  6:00 the previous day, Monday.  The first match we had could not finish the second round of the map because DS had only one player left in what was originolly a 3v3.  they could not continue.  Thus we decided to make it up at a later time or DS would forfiet  So today at 8:00 we played the second match, first when we were going to make it live, Frostblade one of our members had to much lag to play thus had to drop.  DS would not stop the match even though they had to make it up and we would be able to play if Frost reconected and restarted.   Thus we would forfiet unless we made up the match in 48 hours same as DS.  Frostblade was able to reconnect and at the time DS said we could restart, as obviously we needed to make it up in the next 48 hours and since we all still were around (and frost fixed his issues with lag)   we decided to play it then.  We were losing pretty badly (we were pac camp gibralter) but we came back and capped them out even having to instruct a player he could not spawn or we would lose, and came back to win it 1 to 0.  DS ammediatly complained that that shouldn't be legal and we should have to take a forfiet.  My claim is that we were having issues with lag and we made up the game in 48 hours as had they.  The game had been made up but they thought they were getting screwed cause they lost.  We made up the match but they stil want us to forfiet.  Who is in the right here?


A couple things. Lag is not an issue to stop a match, especially 3/4ths of the way through it when you are losing. A buffer match was played to check for lag by all those on the server. Problems should have been identified then. Even if you had lag through the entire match, as you guys claimed, I'm sure if this was identified at the start of the match, DS would have restarted the server to fix it. If your one person got lag for whatever reason, he either has to reconnect or you guys finish the match with one less player. That's the rules. Since you guys all left, that is a forfeit by your club. However, since DS technically replayed the match they lose their right to make a forfeit claim.

Arramus can comment more on this but if DS came to me without replaying you, they had a valid forfeit claim.
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-25 9:50 AM
Post #14578 - In reply to #14557

If this hadn't been resolved then the match would have been ruled on like this:

The initial match would have set the precendent on how scores would have been applied. =SM= would not have faced a forfeit because they had already allowed DS the opportunity to replay from the first match which they didn't have to do.

Good to see you guys came to an amicable agreement on this. We would much rather sees disputes resolved at this level and kudos to all involved for settling it as that displays good gamesmanship.
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-04-30 1:28 PM
Post #14751 - In reply to #14557

All im going to say is DS was a pain when we had a 3v3 with them...it is my opinion that they would do anything to make sure they were above TAW. And no, i am not talking about everyone DS. No screen shots where taken....they did not host...noone could even finish the round...it was bad from the get go and they still submitted in my opinion bugus scores...how do you do that when you don't have screen shoots? How do you act unsportsman like in this manner? Tyrone kept dropping from the get go and we tried ask the for a redue and they would have nothing to do with it. Then DS Demon later barking in my ear that if we didn't finish the second match by 11:30pm that they would submit the scores. So basically giving us 4-5 hours but they submitted them before 11:30 anyway. Even if Demon tried to tell me that we were better off with the losses...it's not the point...it's the principal....way to go DS hope you like your fake results. Sorry Maelstroom but that was BUGUS. And sorry for the long post.

ZEN
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-05-02 3:23 AM
Post #14796 - In reply to #14557

DS had a problem with a match they aborted, but we replayed it so I can't say anything bad about them. Perhaps it was a mistake ZEN. I know that Omen tries to be as fair as possible when setting up and coordinating DS matches.

What I don't understand from the rules is where it speaks about the Battle Recorder. The rules state that if a teams server uses the Battle Recorder and it causes a player to lag out and drop, then the host must take a forfeit. I just don't understand how this can be proven as the cause for a player dropping.
Perhaps this is not the thread for it, but the reason I brought it up here is because DS uses the BattleRecorder for their server. I was not aware of the effect it had on the matches until now. To be honest, that's why there's the buffer, to feel the server out- so I'm just looking for any clarification as to how to negotiate this rule. It was either play on the Server with the BR being used, or not play at all, so we agreed to it anyways since matches were scarce.
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-05-02 4:25 AM
Post #14798 - In reply to #14557

Hey BobaFett,

The Battle Recorder rule is included in the hosting stability rule set and only goes as far as mentioning host crashes which would result in everyone getting disconnected. This would be the most extreme stability issue we'd face.

If a single player is getting lag then it's not enough to say the server is unstable whether it has the BR on or off. However, BR off was recommended at the last Captain's meeting and we included it in the rules.

If a clan wants to play with the BR on and the opposing clan agrees then they'll have to play in the knowledge they can't dispute any lag/crashes that may occur.
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Subject : RE: FORFIET ISSUE
Posted : 2007-05-03 1:01 AM
Post #14819 - In reply to #14557

DS_Omen is cool and fair...I talked to him and he listened to both sides and said that it should not have been submitted (Sorry I forgot to mention his name). Nemisis and Demon are still cool in my book...but sometimes things can get heated when you know or feel your team is getting played unfairly.
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