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Subject : C&C3
Posted : 2007-03-25 1:25 AM
Post #13675
Well here we have the return of the best RTS series ever made(in my opinion) and I see a humongous player base here. TR's expressed lots of interest, I'm sure other clans will too.

Demo's at http://www.commandandconquer.com/
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-03-25 5:07 PM
Post #13687 - In reply to #13675
Any other clans that r considering C&CIII?
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-03-27 3:10 PM
Post #13747 - In reply to #13675
Quite honestly the only reason most EA games dont work well for competition is because they roll out so many expansions so fast the original game never gets a chance to settle in with a core group of players.I would bet C&C 3 comes out and by christmas they'll already have an expansion pack leaving like a few months worth of actual events to get anything rolling with the original game.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-03-28 4:13 AM
Post #13761 - In reply to #13675
EaW isn't diff in that aspect. Nor is BF2142.

And besides..let's not get into the whole CS thing..There are so many version of the same game out there it's just not funny. But all those are supported here at ER. So if there are any valid reason to boycot it, mind posting it for the rest of us?
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-02 4:19 PM
Post #13943 - In reply to #13675
Well i got a clan up for C&C3 www.aiurgaming.com

Id help out if needed!
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-07 9:26 AM
Post #14061 - In reply to #13675
C&C3 is an awesome game! Would be great if you supported it here at ER
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-23 11:33 PM
Post #14537 - In reply to #13761
Originally written by Asuka on 2007-03-28 2:47 AM

EaW isn't diff in that aspect. Nor is BF2142.

And besides..let's not get into the whole CS thing..There are so many version of the same game out there it's just not funny. But all those are supported here at ER. So if there are any valid reason to boycot it, mind posting it for the rest of us?


i dont think anybody here mentioned a boycott. also, the E@W expansion added to the game and changed relatively little compared to EA expansions. and as far as I know the 2142 division is still for the original game only and even that expansion really only adds a couple maps to the factors of competition game play and a lot of other stuff that need not be factored in. I dont think anybody is totally saying we wont allow it but the game will probably take off as well since we already have so many events going and there will undoubtedly be more by the time it comes out.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-25 3:39 PM
Post #14589 - In reply to #13675
Krayt...You hardly ever...and I do mean ever play FoC and I'm not going to start a fight here, but don't you think your being a little biased? The expansion for the game isn't even out yet and it's already being ignored on the grounds there of?

Concerning FoC..adding a new faction, new units, changing the rules of basic fighter skirmishes, changing damage done, build times and characteristics of existing units such as being able to repair station hardpoints isn't changing the game at all?

I'm having a very hard time following any justification for why this game shouldnt be supported. If its just not wanted, then say so....
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-25 6:40 PM
Post #14602 - In reply to #13747
Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-03-27 3:10 PM

Quite honestly the only reason most EA games dont work well for competition is because they roll out so many expansions so fast the original game never gets a chance to settle in with a core group of players.


BF2142 has an expansion already but its a good 1 with the new maps and stuff and its cheap, $10 not $30. But like the BF2142 division here, we dont need to support expansions or any garbage they throw at us.

We seem to have several (maybe more than several) clans up to support CnC3.And like most games, they start small and then they expand with more activity (ER wise) so maybe we should try this out soon.

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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-26 10:19 PM
Post #14650 - In reply to #14589
Originally written by Asuka on 2007-04-25 8:39 AM

Krayt...You hardly ever...and I do mean ever play FoC and I'm not going to start a fight here, but don't you think your being a little biased? The expansion for the game isn't even out yet and it's already being ignored on the grounds there of?

Concerning FoC..adding a new faction, new units, changing the rules of basic fighter skirmishes, changing damage done, build times and characteristics of existing units such as being able to repair station hardpoints isn't changing the game at all?

I'm having a very hard time following any justification for why this game shouldnt be supported. If its just not wanted, then say so....


Ok, first of all adding a faction does little when they are more or less a reskinned version of the other faction. And dont give me that crap about the build times. They change those in patches as well but you dont call that completely changing the game, and if they didnt tell you that they were changed you wouldnt know.

And it seems that you are having just as hard of a time following the fact that nobody is ignoring the game. I would have thought the fact the people are replying to this very post would have clued you in on that but them maybe i am expecting too much from you. So tell me then, who is going to run this game area? you? well then good luck with that. dont be too discouraged when the division crashes and burns for all the reasons vis stated above.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-27 4:36 AM
Post #14656 - In reply to #14650
Originally written by -(DW)-Krayt88 on 2007-04-26 4:19 AM

Ok, first of all adding a faction does little when they are more or less a reskinned version of the other faction.


Reskinned? Funny, I didn't notice any Star Viper Squadrons before in EaW... But following your line of reasoning -> That means there's only one faction's worth of models in the whole game, the other 2 are just reskinned versions. And I thought they all played and felt differently.

Originally written by -(DW)-Krayt88 on 2007-04-26 4:19 AM
And dont give me that crap about the build times. They change those in patches as well but you dont call that completely changing the game, and if they didnt tell you that they were changed you wouldnt know.


So your telling me you havnt noticed a change in the time it takes to capture and build stations/mines in the expansion versus the time it takes(even with patch changes) in the origional? I know they changed those in the patches, but you have to be blind to tell me they did nothing to it in FoC, to much BF II perhaps...

Originally written by -(DW)-Krayt88 on 2007-04-26 4:19 AM
And it seems that you are having just as hard of a time following the fact that nobody is ignoring the game. I would have thought the fact the people are replying to this very post would have clued you in on that but them maybe i am expecting too much from you.


My issue is not with those who want it here, its getting it past your thick skull that we want it here, now without any of this to and fro posting between members who are up for it and people like you who aren't... before the next melenium.. But that may be expecting to much of you to comprehend something as straight forward as that.

Originally written by -(DW)-Krayt88 on 2007-04-26 4:19 AM
So tell me then, who is going to run this game area? you? well then good luck with that. dont be too discouraged when the division crashes and burns for all the reasons vis stated above.


If Vis's word is god, then so be it. We'll go find other leagues that do have it.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-28 1:46 AM
Post #14686 - In reply to #14656
Originally written by Asuka on 2007-04-27 2:24 AM

My issue is not with those who want it here, its getting it past your thick skull that we want it here, now without any of this to and fro posting between members who are up for it and people like you who aren't... before the next melenium.. But that may be expecting to much of you to comprehend something as straight forward as that.

If Vis's word is god, then so be it. We'll go find other leagues that do have it.


You just arent getting it are you? Nobody is saying "No, we cant have C&C3 events at ER" but as of yet, none of the moderators dedicated enough to start this division have stepped up and said they would do it. Why? Possibly because they believe what vis has said about it burning out just like the Battlefield 2 division did. They dont all have the same blind faith in EA that you do, and arent going to take the time to set up a division that in all likely hood is going to end up as a bad memory. The game might be good but that doesnt necessarily mean that a battleweek competition for it would be. There is nothing strait forward about you whining of the lack of support for a game when you yourself arent willing to step up and do something about it.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-28 8:15 AM
Post #14689 - In reply to #13675
No offense but I laughed at ur statement.

I have no faith in LA and I actually hate LA because of their stupid bussiness minds and no caring about their players. I have lost so many matches only because they cant fix their glitches. For example Two players (1 me another a human) shoot a gernade launcher at each other at the same time, I die but he doesnt die.

I actually like EA's mind since they actually put effort into maing a game good for their customers unlike the losers at LA. With the exception EA doesnt make MVP Baseball anymore, they actually make more than 1 patch more their games unlike LA.

Screw LA, EA makes effort for the satisfaction of their customers. LA doesnt even respond to any of their customer service questions or problems or requests.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-28 4:14 PM
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This topic is about supporting C&C3 at ER.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-28 5:52 PM
Post #14704 - In reply to #14689
Originally written by TR_yankeefan05 on 2007-04-28 1:15 AM

No offense but I laughed at ur statement.

I have no faith in LA and I actually hate LA because of their stupid bussiness minds and no caring about their players. I have lost so many matches only because they cant fix their glitches. For example Two players (1 me another a human) shoot a gernade launcher at each other at the same time, I die but he doesnt die.

I actually like EA's mind since they actually put effort into maing a game good for their customers unlike the losers at LA. With the exception EA doesn't make MVP Baseball anymore, they actually make more than 1 patch more their games unlike LA.

Screw LA, EA makes effort for the satisfaction of their customers. LA doesnt even respond to any of their customer service questions or problems or requests.


EA also pumps out 3 patches for a game in the first year of it being out, which leads to a lot of problems supporting it at ER. It has nothing to do with how much the company that makes the game supports it, its about how much we can support it at ER. When the expansion for E@W came out we had to massively retool it for it to work on both versions of the game. EA is going to put out like 4 expansions and there will be no fixing the event system to work with them.

I'm not saying EA is a bad company, everybody likes Expansions, if they didn't there wouldn't be any. But when it comes to holding events for a game, expansions are going to severely hurt the structure of the event, and will the amount of expansions EA is bound to throw at this already hurting structure, it is eventually going to collapse much like the Battlefield 2 events did.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-29 4:13 AM
Post #14716 - In reply to #13675
I'm gonna point out to you why I dont like your system for EaW now Krayt and why I think C&C would work allot better regardless of expansions that add or dotn add reskinned/new factions...

You have to update your structure after every expansion because you dont incorporate all the variables...You can't <- More blind faith there in LA I believe....

Lets take a look at how the points are scored for example. In FW, SW and CW the points are gathered from statistics, such as kills, flag captures, points..etc. In EaW, you base it on constants, such as buildings, but literal constants for each faction, such as the nature of the stats of that game dictates... In C&C however, everything will be statistical, it will have a wider scope than EaW/FoC since it doesnt count how many infantry untis/squads you lost per group, but rather the total unit amount lost expressed as a statistic. This way, if we were to design a system that went of statistics(which is all we can do) such as time played, units lost, buildings lost etc as opposed to only buildings and ships lost per faction, then you wouldnt have to redo everything after a patch or expansion that intoroduces new factions... Thus, crippling you rarguement and sending it crashing down to earth in flames..

This could be done very easily, we take for example the amount of units lost, which depending on how long the game is and how good the players are, multiply it by a decimal value as predetermined for each type, i.e Buildings = 0.25 * [insert # here] and units = 0.10 and so forth, screenshot the end, feed those numbers into the report match forms and have the system multiply it out automatically according to those formulae, giving results just as every other system does. Having the system controling the calculations would also allow for more automated restrictions to be put in place to prevent milking and supremely good players from feeding on the weak. Maximum point rules could be done automatically and with this system, less calculation errors (atleast from human input) would occur since its a simple copy what u see and put it in the box effect, as opposed to having to sit there with a rules screen post every match, counting up points.

I wouldn't have the time to do this with collage, but if no one else will and I can get used to the system, I'll do it myself. I'll need a few helping hands ofcourse.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-29 5:15 AM
Post #14717 - In reply to #13675
In addition, we can incoporate the already existing Gamespy ladder with ER. In the events where we have low participation or jsut for the sheer convinience of it, we can use ranked 1v1/2v2 or even clan ranked 1v1/2v2 games with ER rules and passwords and gain spots on the official ladder, thereby opening ER (which isnt the most popular place for the online community due to our limited size) to a wider community and at the same time, eliminating the need for seperate ER ladders that in my p.o.w such as those for EaW, are a waste of time.

All of these aspects of potential, mean that we would not have to restructure anything in the event of any changes being made to the game be it in patches or expansions, so long as we keep getting statistics at the end of each game. Sicne no units or buildings are deemed worth more than any other or any distinguishment made between a barracks' worth and that of a Vechile Factory, its going to be much easier to compute these stats than that of EaW which has seperate point systems for various unit/building types.

The only thing that counts in our favor concerning the basis for everyones arguement against it here, is with a ton of expansions for a game lined up which wont influence the system or structure in anyway... we have continuety garunteed, much like WarCraft and that stupid DOTA MOD thats so popular these days..
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-29 10:07 AM
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I have received a few PMs with interest in adding this game to ER. I would like to know more about the game and who wants to run the area. I would like someone with experience.

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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-04-29 11:03 AM
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I'm more than willing to MOD, infact, I was going to PM you about this some time... I'd like to transfer there. I'm not so sure about being a game director tho, I have to many responsibilities as is without gaming in my life.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-05-29 8:28 PM
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id play in a CnC3 event!
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Posted : 2007-06-04 1:21 PM
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We are working towards adding this game. Stay tuned
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-06-04 3:44 PM
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maelstrom. can you make me an admin for CoD2 becuase 5.5 is never on anything anymore
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-06-04 7:50 PM
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Originally written by yem_1 on 2007-06-04 3:44 PM

maelstrom. can you make me an admin for CoD2 becuase 5.5 is never on anything anymore
This is for CnC3 requesting, not CoD2 opportunities.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-10-05 7:16 PM
Post #19769 - In reply to #13675
if you checked the C&C3 thread you can see that there are 2 people willing to run it(myself being one of them) as of right now we are discussing rules and such while you guys biatch and complain about E@W and the expansion take it up in the right thread. We just need an answer to our qustions that we posted in the C&C 3 thread.
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Subject : RE: C&C3
Posted : 2007-10-13 10:22 PM
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oh and the expansion for C&C3 doesnt come out till spring of 08 so we have plenty of time to some tornies under our belts and see if the expansion is an option looking into
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