Lepube,

Thank you for your comments.. While I don't feel the need to debate this issue publicly... I do feel the need to inform you and your clanmates of a few things that you should be aware of before you come on to these forums and attack the mods, ER and me.

First Avelyn, was frozen from the next tourney for submitting over 10 duplicate matches during this event.  He also had submitted numerious forfeits (which we never have permitted).  After the event conclude, I personally contacted him and asked him to provide screenshots for each match he reported, b/c as I was reviewing matches I found all sorts of oddities with his reported matches.  It was at this time (AFTER the event had ended) that Avelyn informed me that he had made some mistakes reporting his matches, and all of the duplicates {I believe his PM had 6-7, and I found another 3-4} were ACCIDENTS.  I'm sorry Lepube, but maybe this is ok with you but it is not ok for me.  Let me ask you this if someone in DS or RedCell submitted duplicate matches (wins) against your clan how would you react? Is this behavior that we would want to have here?   Had Avelyn come to me during the event after he "accidently submitted the extra 10 matches" there would not have been a problem and he would be permitted to play.  So basically his arguement was that he played in serveral matches, reported them and  "someguy" told him that stats updated every 2 hours.  (odd that this occurred on the last day of the event and he had played all prior 6 days without this happen).  When he didn't see his matches (in his stats) he reported them again.  So let me ask you this Lepube, if he realized his matches weren't calculated in his stats, why didn't he contact a moderator when he realized he had "duplicate/extra matches"???  Does this make sense to you Lepube?   As I said had he contacted a moderator at the time this would have been addressed however he did not.. I guess he hoped that we would overlook this.  Frankly he is QUITE likely to be allowed to return to ER after sitting out one event, and I assure you and anyone else that if he does anything like this again he will not be welcome back period.  All in all, I spent almost 3 hours just dealing with issues related to Avelyn this BW, is that fair? Should I have to look at everyone of his matches to make sure that they are reported accurately? 

Furthermore, I discussed this matter with your Captain Fish and he agreed with the decision. So I suggest you check with him prior to making such an uninformed post.

Secondly, regarding Lebron....  Is it acceptable in your house to tell someone to go f. their own mother, among other things?  By Lebron's own admission this is not the first time that he has broken this rule.

Originally written by Lebron on 2007-09-24  1:50 AM

Contrary to what you wrote in your post, Lebron had been warned about this on atleast two occassions {lesser offences} by me and asked to correct his behavior.  He did not comply with my request and based on what I saw this time he has decided to take it to the next level.

In closing, I would again suggest you check with your captain before coming onto these forums making accussations.  If MotR chooses not to play that is certainly their choice.  However if these players are so critical to your club (as your post indicated), I would recommend that your clan advise them {and anyone else} to respect the rules and there will be no problems. Other clubs have had players frozen from prior vents, and they have decided to play. If MotR decides to proceed in this matter that would tell the RC community as a whole how your clan deals with authority. Not to mention you would be punishing the other members of MotR as they would not be permitted to play. 

-bp

Conversation started between =FS= Havick and {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: Tue, Sep  18 22:25:59 2007
[22:25] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: can you help one guy in BW match?
[22:26] =FS= Havick: No
[22:26] =FS= Havick: PLease read the ER borads btw
[22:26] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: borads?
[22:26] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: Oh deary me! are them?
[22:26] =FS= Havick: The forums...
[22:27] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: i am not guy who usually is in forums
[22:27] =FS= Havick: You need to be
[22:27] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: what for?
[22:27] =FS= Havick: For the amount of non-listed member matches you continue to sumbit
[22:28] =FS= Havick: submit*
[22:28] =FS= Havick: http://www.eclipticalrealms.com/warsystem/thread-view.asp?threadid=3371&posts=2
[22:28] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: i did that wrong and admin deleted all those matches but now...
[22:29] =FS= Havick: You are suppose to check if all player in the match are registated at ER...
[22:29] =FS= Havick: it's a rule
[22:29] =FS= Havick: and you're ovbiously braking it.
[22:29] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: but i said in match notes who was non-listed member
[22:29] =FS= Havick: The non listed member feture is a bakc up, not a crutch
[22:30] =FS= Havick: You realize that the mods have to ediat all those matches now?
[22:30] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: i speak very badly english and i understand it more badly
[22:30] =FS= Havick: Ok, at ER. I am a mod
[22:31] =FS= Havick: yes?
[22:31] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: yea
[22:31] =FS= Havick: Bp is also a mod
[22:31] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: and vash too
[22:31] =FS= Havick: the two of use have to move all the non listed members from your matches to their club cpt.
[22:31] =FS= Havick: Yes Vash.
[22:32] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: ow i tought i tis enaugh if i just put that non-listed member name
[22:32] =FS= Havick: Yes, it is. But in the amount of games you have, It's not any more.
[22:33] =FS= Havick: No on else has sumbited matches in the number you have wiht non listed members
[22:34] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: but how GG can have over 30 non-listed member?
[22:34] =FS= Havick: They are not listed on ER... I don't know why.
[22:34] =FS= Havick: But they should be
[22:34] =FS= Havick: But becuase they are not, you should not play them,
[22:34] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: ow sry i keep that in my mind
[22:35] =FS= Havick: Thanks
[22:35] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: my points are going to delete?
[22:36] =FS= Havick: No
[22:36] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: kk
[22:36] =FS= Havick: What language do you speak?
[22:36] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: finland
[22:36] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: lol
[22:36] =FS= Havick: lol...
[22:36] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: but i dont think you can speak it =)
[22:38] =FS= Havick: hmm
[22:38] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: you know much about ER i think
[22:38] =FS= Havick: Yes, I am a mod here =)
[22:38] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: well then i think you know how answer in this....
[22:38] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: if lose two matches how many points can lose?
[22:39] =FS= Havick: it's based on who you play
[22:39] =FS= Havick: and how much you lose by
[22:39] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: yea
[22:40] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: like if i lose vs some who dont got lots ER points i lose points more?
[22:40] =FS= Havick: Yes
[22:41] =FS= Havick: But if you played someone ranked such as I am, and lost you would probably not lose a lot of points
[22:41] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: are you good ranked then?
[22:41] =FS= Havick: fairly well
[22:41] =FS= Havick: 14
[22:41] =FS= Havick: Would you like a match? a 2v2 I only have one partner
[22:42] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: on the other hand i could but school begins in 30 min
[22:42] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: and i have to do homeworks what i got only one page
[22:42] {MotR}Avelyn{EurSgt}: =)
[22:42] =FS= Havick: aww ok
Conversation ended: Tue, Sep  18 22:49:06 2007

Seems to me that he understood it. I made a point to get in contact with him. Yet, he continued to submit these matches...

But not only have we explained everything publicly here; it should NOT have have had to be that way. Frankly Lepube you don't have any business in dealing with these matters. You are not a game or club cpt. here at ER and have to my knowledge been decleaired so in MotR. Mods do not have to publicly explain each pushishment handed down... As Bp said, you would not be so up in arms if it was anyone else. But because these two seemed to rank fairly well you seem to have a problem with it.

Six has the right idea. If you're driving along and you hit a person crossing the street; let's say you were getting your coffee from the tray, you are charged for manslaughter.

Murder is issued on three levels. 1st degree when you intentionally and plannedly murder another human.

2nd degree when you unintentionally murder someone but with a motivatory cause. ie: in a fight, road rage, etc.

Manslaughter is the accidental murder of another human being. You are still charged for it and you won't walk. It's an accident, but not something tolerable.

Just a little lesson. I support Bprendy's decision because it seems to be fair, and had it happened to any other clan member, FS included. It would be only right to do.

While I just found out about this recently, and was shown what had actually been said between Lebron and the ER player who I will leave anonymous, I must say, I've never been so disgusted with how foul a person could be. I don't mean it offensively, but when people swear, it's a little more acceptable. But when something that completely disrespectful is said... That's a different level. And something no one would tolerate. I think the person who this was said against, while angry and showing it fairly clearly, did not "retaliate" or provoke or even respond to this in any equally or even close of a manner of disrespect and insult. It was just too far, and to address the unfairness of it all. I don't think any of the punishments are unfair. After multiple infractions and warning, you should take responsibility for what you've done. And Lepube you should understand that the punishments dealt were fair and unbiased and would have been given to any person under the same circumstance.

It's unfortunate that two of your top players have been banned, but MotR as a whole should accept what has happened, and take responsibility to avoid it from recurring. Not try to weasel out of it. Should you choose to boycott the next tournaments. No one will stop you. It would just seem a shame that such a strong challenger should not be present.