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Star Wars: Battlefront 2
Roof on Tantooine 		 Maelstrom Last Activity 2007-12-30 1:47 PM
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~FL~Crazyturtle

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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-23 10:21 PM
Post #16704 - In reply to #16035
you can do this on almost every roof from certain angles.
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-=LW=- Weezer

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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-24 8:12 PM
Post #16738 - In reply to #16035
Wall jumping should be legal. Im never changing my stance until I hear a good argument against it.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-25 9:56 PM
Post #16769 - In reply to #16035
OK enough,for now on people its simple,read the rules.Does anyone see in the rules for the past "several events" any rule regarding wall jumping being legal or illegal.Therefor if theres no rule against it I dont see what the debate is all about.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 2:00 AM
Post #16777 - In reply to #16738
Originally written by -=LW=- Weezer on 2007-06-24 12:12 PM

Wall jumping should be legal. Im never changing my stance until I hear a good argument against it.


Um, its a glitch. How is that not a good argument?
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 7:51 AM
Post #16778 - In reply to #16035
And its a glitch that can be avoided unlike detpack throws or wookie/darky rolls.I wodner why it was removed and not in the rules anymore.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 12:55 PM
Post #16788 - In reply to #16035
How about a lot of bot glitches,so we completely remove bots from the events to stop them also?

Jawas taking flags
I've seen bots wall jumping on Mos Esily
I've seen 3 bots in a row follow each off the side on kamino to thier death which results in lowering ticket counts.

I mean these are part of the game are they not?We deal with it just like anything else.My opnion is if on a map there are places accessible then if people cant get there then fine.Why should Dark Troopers have the ability to make map completely lopsided by allowing them to get on any rooftop when as rebs were saying,if there isnt a stair case then you cant go on the roof.

There are parts of the game that are just part of the game and people should just accept it and play with that.Why is everyone so focused on maintaining or looking for things so they can just accuse and make accusations at people for?

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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 3:23 PM
Post #16799 - In reply to #16035
You're right vis, there are stair cases going up to building tops, so how about we use them instead of glitching our way up the side of a building, jumping 3 times the normal height to get up on top of a building. There is a difference between jawas taking the flag and players glitching to get from the ground to the roof tops, mainly that it is in fact a human player who is doing the glitching. Now jumping from roof top to roof top is just part of the game, we dont need to complain about that, but the ability to stand next to a building and triple your vertical leap is a glitch. If we allow wall jumping then we might as well allow other structural glitches. Lets go ahead and let people get inside of walls and camp on CPs where they cant be killed. That'll be fun.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 3:57 PM
Post #16802 - In reply to #16788
Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-26 11:55
There are parts of the game that are just part of the game and people should just accept it and play with that.Why is everyone so focused on maintaining or looking for things so they can just accuse and make accusations at people for?



sorry to be a stickler...but...

Defining a Glitch
"1. a defect or malfunction in a machine or plan.
2. Computers. any error, malfunction, or problem. Compare bug1 (def. 5).
3. a brief or sudden interruption or surge in voltage in an electric circuit.
–verb (used with object)
4. to cause a glitch in: an accident that glitched our plans."



...does it sound like anywhere in there that it glitches are on purpose...are just supposed to happen...that they are a good thing...that they should be used...Didn't think so...
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 4:03 PM
Post #16803 - In reply to #16035
Ok fine we'll ban wall glitching,and Player Names are going to be on for all events.So if anyone is going to accuse someone in the future you need to have a screenshot showing that players name as thier doing the act.Cause weve all see bots even do the wall jump thing and were not going to have people making accusations against people unless they have solid proof.

One of the reasons it was removed in the first place was because of to many people making accusations with no solid proof.Which became more disruptive and created more arguments then just letting it happen.

[Edited by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-26 4:17 PM]

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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 5:20 PM
Post #16806 - In reply to #16035
we have yet to hear a good argument against it.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-26 7:30 PM
Post #16812 - In reply to #16035
Wall jumping is do to the way the physics engine of swbf2 is designed. It is an unintended result of crappy designing. You can do the same thing as wall jumping in similar areas and got a nice jump. But it all other situations its mostly pointless because there's nothing to jump on.

Another result of the physics engine is that you must jump before you reach the end of a ledge to go the farthest, jumping later you don't get to where you need to go.

With the wall jumping you can jump at the wall and due to your speed the curvature of the wall brings you upward. Similarly if you jump before steps you can get a little boost. But jumping isn't really that great a thing so no one cares.

Regardless personally I find wall jumping to be somewhat of a balancer. It gives people on the ground a better way to get up onto buildings and fight the people already on buildings. Quite honestly though if your on top of a building and you watch someone wall jump up and then they kill you your just horrible. Because its incredibly easy to oneshot someone when they land on top of the roof. W/e its not a huge deal and we can with or with out so I don't care a whole lot. I just have too much free time.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 2:20 AM
Post #16815 - In reply to #16803
Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-26 4:03 PM

.Cause weve all see bots even do the wall jump thing and were not going to have people making accusations against people unless they have solid proof.

That settles it. Bots do it which would obviously mean the game makers intended for it to occur. So its not a glitch. GG.


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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 2:21 AM
Post #16816 - In reply to #16815
The first line of the above post is by Visualizer. The bottom half is mine.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 5:25 PM
Post #16842 - In reply to #16035
Well, Im to the point on not caring anymore. Im tired of hearing about bots this and wall jump that. People are going to do what they are going to do. If some want to exploit a poor design to get an advantage so be it and I wish them the best at it.

This applies to all games that you play online. I have yet to see a "lock down, solid, no glitch no cheat" game out there. If someone develops an anti-cheat for a game, someone else develops a cheat for it same with glitches and patches. As soon as a patch is released, someone finds another glitch to exloit.

My bottom line here and its just my opinion, if you want to glitch in a wall, wall jump, shoot fire out your bum, then go ahead. Can we just play the dang game and stop complaining about every little thing?
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 7:07 PM
Post #16844 - In reply to #16035
To implement it again from a standpoint of other games, why do people dolphin dive in Battlefield 2? It's cause it gives them an advantage. Mainstream leagues can't write a rule against it (though they tried unsuccessfully, it still happens and people generally accept it). Do you think devs intended half of what is put in the game? Probably not. People, taking advantage of what a game has to offer you short of wall hacking (here defined as going through a wall or area that quite obviously *should* be solid and unpassable) is part of playing that game. The fact that some people are better at it than others is almost the same as saying we shouldn't use rocket troops to fight infantry. I think that example has been used before but it applies here.

My main point is, every game has its physics engines torn apart once the players get a hold of it. Just accept it. Unless like BF2 the devs care enough to change it (which they have tried many times) then there is nothing to do about it.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 9:28 PM
Post #16862 - In reply to #16035
A lot of you guys against wall jumping have said it gives an advantage. Im know that rebels, emipre, CIS, and republic can all wall jump. The advantage comes when one person is on a roof and their opponnent cant get up. Because if you know anything about this game, you know the height advantage is everything. Wall jumping just evens the playing field.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-27 9:51 PM
Post #16863 - In reply to #16035
Do you relize how ridiculous this is sounding?
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-28 1:34 AM
Post #16883 - In reply to #16035
No this is clear and concise logic vis. Just wondering are you able to wall jump? If the answer is no then you are incompetent and deserve to get pwnt if you are capable then obviously the ability to wall jump does not change the playing field in terms of fairness. In short say you don't know how to throw a det well that's your own problem the other team should not be held responsible for your lack of knowledge of the game. Same is true with the wall jump. Everyone can do it if they spend time on the game learning how.
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Subject : RE: Roof on Tantooine
Posted : 2007-06-29 9:42 AM
Post #16942 - In reply to #16035
I think that wall jumping on Mos Eisley is just like detpack throwing or DT rolling. They are the result of the poor game design but are too mainstream to call "glitches". Take a look at det throwing. I doubt players were supposed to be able to throw large explosives like grenades, but almost every player does it. Would you try and ban det throwing? No. On the same token, most players use wall jump on Mos Eisley. The advantage comes when one players doesn't know how and the other does. If that is going to be banned, then why not ban det throwing? If one player doesn't know how it is a huge advantage. Just accept the poor design and stop making so many waves...

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