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SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going forward 		 Maelstrom Last Activity 2007-12-30 1:47 PM
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Ashyr

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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 11:00 AM
Post #16946 - In reply to #16716
Your so pathetic. We won, period. Make more excuses...

That's why personally we cant get along.. Your attitude.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 12:52 PM
Post #16950 - In reply to #16716
Go through TR's matches and see who they played. That's all you have to do to deermine their skill level. If you're so good accept the challenge.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 1:08 PM
Post #16951 - In reply to #16716
HEY ashyr...how many games did u win??
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 1:54 PM
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I dunno about ashyr personally I went 17-0.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 3:57 PM
Post #16958 - In reply to #16716
Im siding with LW on this I believe that TR is exploiting the stats system and encourage that if TR believes that they are not and that they truly are the best clan that they should participate in the match against LW, and not just a 3v3 or 2v2 but a real match larger match such as a 5v5. And about the thing how the most skilled don’t always win. . .that’s somewhat true as there can be freak chance and good days and bad days, but in my opinion LW would beat TR in a 5v5 99.9% of the time and that .1 would be LW recruiting all the WRL and putting them in as their starters.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 4:12 PM
Post #16959 - In reply to #16716
ok guys look..the system is just that..whether u feel they expolit it or not, they won via the point system...so congrats..theres no need to argue this anymore. If you have a better alternative to the system..let me know and well see what we can do...

or next time..juts own them and knock their victory totals down..lol
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-=LW=- Weezer

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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 4:16 PM
Post #16960 - In reply to #16716
The only time we played them only LW vrs only TR we won 10 flags to none. They wont play any bigger than a 3v3 and will only do 1 map so its basically impossible to pass them no mateer how hard we spank them.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 4:28 PM
Post #16961 - In reply to #16716
TR wouldn't even play LT, and our record in the event was less than great. Their member responded to my challenge with "Oh, I don't feel like playing any more Flag Week matches, and I don't think my clanmates want to either." I asked for a 3v3, and they had 3 guys on at the time.....so what is that?
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 4:39 PM
Post #16962 - In reply to #16716
'm not saying what they did was honorable..not in the least...but its your word against theirs...I can not force people to play against harder clans...no one can..If clans feel they need to win via beating easy clans only, then yeah theyll get the award, but they have no respect from the actual community..I see that TR has not accepted the challenge from LW, I suggest posting on thier forums or pm thier leaders for a match...best I can do guys..we all know who elite here, don't need an award to prove that..do we?
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 5:07 PM
Post #16965 - In reply to #16716
Thank you MUSA. Everything you said sums it up really. I could argue that playing 10 games and getting 1st is stat padding.. Its strategy as much as anything. Ill end there

Now with my guarantee to stay out of SWBF2 there should be no problems between us. If you keep going on, It should be frowned upon on your part.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 5:19 PM
Post #16967 - In reply to #16716
wonderful
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 5:21 PM
Post #16968 - In reply to #16716
Well we cant mandate match sizes cause this isnt a set team size with ladders.And also people do need to relize as I have gotten xfires ragarding the stat system.This is not a skill only based event.And let's discuss Conquest Week for a moment.
If you look at the point breakdown it does reward for activity.
Clubs Rankings stat system breakdown:
Activity points:
-Ranked Games Played [10.00 Max]
-Avg.Games per Player [10.00 Max]
Total of 20 points possible
Skill points:
-Victory Ratio [15.00 Max]
-Attrition ratio [15.00 Max]
-Avg. Points per game [15.00 Max]
-Avg. Enemy points per game [15.00 Max]
-Team Bonus ratio [10.00 Max]
Total of 70 points possible
Playing Opponents:
Unique Opponent Ratio [10.00 Max]
Avg. Rating Played [0.60-1.00]
Total of 11 points possible
Total possible points for a club to earn is 101.00

Now looking at all of this,skill is clearly more heavily weighed upon in Conquest Week however with the other possible points that can be earned it's meant to add some balance and also promote activity.Now are people using certain aspects of the stats to thier advantage,of course they are which is why we some outcomes like we do.
Now having said that lets all understand a few things,the clubs who keep playing small matches and a lot of matches are clearly adding up the activity points.
Now they might be considered stat padding if they keep playing the same people over and over but thier also penelized for that now also with losing points in the unique opponents which deducts points for playing the same players over and over and also for playing lower rating players over and over.The ability is coming shortly for everyone to be able view a clubs matches played and a breakdown of who they played so it will out for all to see if a club is playing someone over and over again.

Now this past CW I saw a lot of large matches played,which I admit is a lot of fun,but also if people want to talk stats then relize when you play large matches,factor in the time involved it takes to set and play,then the others are taking advantage of playing more and smaller matches.Easiest way to to give a club a run for the money,look at all aspects of the stats system and use it as they do to get the most possible points.Difference is if everyone started doing a lot more matches of all sizes which resulted in more games played per club it would balance out the activity side of stats leaving mainly skill points to determine the outcomes since it is the skill points that have the most weight on the events.




[Edited by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-06-29 5:22 PM]

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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 9:11 PM
Post #16982 - In reply to #16965
Originally written by Ashyr on 2007-06-29 5:07 PM

Thank you MUSA. Everything you said sums it up really. I could argue that playing 10 games and getting 1st is stat padding.. Its strategy as much as anything. Ill end there

Now with my guarantee to stay out of SWBF2 there should be no problems between us. If you keep going on, It should be frowned upon on your part.


1 ashyr you're an admin so you should have shut up a while back *frown at you*

2 ashyr I'm still having a hard time remembering who you are. Oh ya maybe If you actually played the game huh.

3 yes you shouldn't have to playing with less skilled clans but TR is forcing us to since they seem to be winning lot's of events when they don't deserve the wins


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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 10:13 PM
Post #16986 - In reply to #16716
Don't pretend like we're persecuting you. You posted here and now you're getting tonrn to pieces just like in game.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 10:36 PM
Post #16988 - In reply to #16716
Well fine tr won.

If everyone is quite satisfied with this result that it results in the following discoveries.

The er stat system does not reflect skill.
It is easily exploited.
No one really cares a lot about skill.
Gwl is in actuality still better.
Cheesecake is the best food ever.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-29 11:38 PM
Post #16989 - In reply to #16716
cheescake is ok...

ER does reflect skill as MOST clans play everyone...GWL would be fine but those of us who play after 9pm PST never can get a match at GWL, so its flawed as well..
ER is still the best..

ashyr should be tarred and feathered..lol

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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 12:17 AM
Post #16992 - In reply to #16716
Okay ER reflects skill lets see.

Flag week 6 winners

1. TR
2. LW
3. DW
4. TOH
5. DS

Now order of skill level of the clans that participated in fw
1. LW
2. Toh
3. FL
3. LT
5. TR

Now its debateable whether lw is better then toh and fl better then lt, but they're all better then tr. So if er reflects skill why did TR come in first, LW second, toh fourth, and I suppose fl and lt we're unranked. Still doesn't seem to be reflecting too much skill.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 12:19 AM
Post #16993 - In reply to #16716
I can see if TR didnt play u guys at all..however they did..so the win is legit..next time just play them more and beat them that way..otherwise Tr was declared the winners and thats that...let it go
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 12:35 AM
Post #16995 - In reply to #16716
Yea this event came about a week after we formed and we dont really care for CTF with bots to much. . .CW we should be in more matches and leet as a matter of opinion I think Pwn is prolly 5th Pwn vs TR would be pretty close though
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 12:37 AM
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as i was told and seen screnshots..TR beat LW on mustafar..so i dont think they would place 6th..and DE wasnt there or youd all be owned...lol
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 12:47 AM
Post #16997 - In reply to #16716
Ashyr, I don't see why you posted here when I was obviously addressing the situation. I specifically wanted to avoid saying anything to further inflame the situation such as what you said, regardless of whether I agree with you or not. I do not appreciate you making the situation worse.

While I do not feel I need to defend any actions on the part of TR the past CW12 and FW, I will say that we played as many people as possible. Blackballing was addressed as requested and is not an issue. It was difficult to play some players because even though we originated challenges, some players refuse to play with bots. I hope to continue to face more clans in future events here.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 1:30 AM
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you can start by accepting my challenge.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 1:42 AM
Post #17002 - In reply to #16989
Originally written by MUSA on 2007-06-29 11:38 PM

cheescake is ok...

ER does reflect skill as MOST clans play everyone...GWL would be fine but those of us who play after 9pm PST never can get a match at GWL, so its flawed as well..
ER is still the best..

ashyr should be tarred and feathered..lol


i do believe half our matches on GWL are past 12:30am eastern time.

i didn't bring GWL into this but i'll defend it, even though i'm not an admin there anymore.

I wouldn't defend ER to save my life until more things got changed.
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 1:47 AM
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i wasnt putting GWL down...lol. I just can never get a clan to play me team after 9pm pst..if you know some, feel fre to contact me and ill be happy to challenge
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Subject : RE: SWBFII Rules Addition for all events going for
Posted : 2007-06-30 2:02 AM
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