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Star Wars: Battlefront 2
Monthly Events 		 Maelstrom Last Activity 2007-12-30 1:47 PM
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BobaFett

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Subject : Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 5:00 AM
Post #19504
This post is mostly for clan leaders to think about for us to bring up when we hold a meeting, but a large amount of input I have received has indicated that having multiple events for this game in a month is burning members out.
With the implementation of the 5v5 ladder his fall/winter, we could look into limiting to one main ER event here for BFII, and then in the meantime clubs can play in the fall ladder for competitive play. You can post feedback here, or hold your input until we hold a meeting, but I'd like to see if this would be a pliable option for us.
Thanks for your time and consideration!
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 10:49 AM
Post #19509 - In reply to #19504
Hey Boba, well I guess I will go first here. Some of us don't play space or Saber or JKA. So, just speaking for my club, we would prefer it stays the same. But whatever is in the best interest for all here and if majority rules....well,then there is your/our answer. ER is unique with the tournament setup that it has. Maybe just a little cleaning house is needed to draw people back. But also there is nothing wrong with trying something new.

Looking forward to a potential CL meeting.

ZEN
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 4:53 PM
Post #19520 - In reply to #19504
I think a clan leader meeting is cool, but maybe let everyone listen in just mute everyone but the clan leaders. The other thing is it would depend on the rules... for example would there be bots? Would there be spawn invincibility?
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 5:39 PM
Post #19522 - In reply to #19520
Originally written by ~FL~Crazyturtle on 2007-09-21 4:53 PM

I think a clan leader meeting is cool, but maybe let everyone listen in just mute everyone but the clan leaders. The other thing is it would depend on the rules... for example would there be bots? Would there be spawn invincibility?


I would like to hold private meetings with club leaders so your questions and concerns can be brought up then without public knowledge. Then I would like to hold a public meeting with the club leaders and work toward the solutions.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 6:17 PM
Post #19525 - In reply to #19504
Sounds good.. I look forward to the meeting and ER to move forward. (-DR-)
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 6:34 PM
Post #19526 - In reply to #19504
no flag week?

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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-21 8:28 PM
Post #19531 - In reply to #19504
Wont decreasing events only lead to people looking elsewhere to play .I mean everyone has the right to sign up and play in events or not to play.But if the events are cut back or not there wont it really encourage people to just play elsewhere?
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-23 8:40 PM
Post #19576 - In reply to #19504
Vis is right, if you are getting burned out on the event schedule then there is an easy fix: sit one out. Going to 1 event a month isnt really anything new, they were going once a month for like a year. Then there were complaints that Cw wasnt getting played enough and it went to 2 a week schedule. Changing back will probably only lead to the same situation. But If your clan is getting burned out then simply skip an event. Play conquest week but not the flag week of the same month, next month skip the conquest week and only play the flag/space week. Simple as that.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-24 3:56 PM
Post #19595 - In reply to #19504
Awesome input guys (and gal). Yeah I liked the schedule myself and just sat out of an event or played minimally if I didn't have time.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-25 6:47 PM
Post #19630 - In reply to #19504
I like Fett's idea. One event + ladder
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-25 7:17 PM
Post #19634 - In reply to #19504
Why not 2 events plus ladder? If you dont want to do 2 events each month then dont. Sit one out. If you do in fact want to do 2 events a month then awesome, you get to.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-25 8:24 PM
Post #19636 - In reply to #19504
Ive been of the opinion over the last few months that its probably better to have 1 event PER GAME, per month. BF2 especially, when we have 3 events in a month, like when we have 5 friday's in a month, it gets a little bad, and for the last event, you only have 3 or 4 guys who will play because they arent as interested. I would say rotate CW and FW every second month. It may smooth things out. And it gives ppl time to play the other games we have.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-26 12:58 AM
Post #19639 - In reply to #19636
But like I said earlier, we have been on that rotation before and people that only play SWB2 didnt like it cuz they had to wait an entire month to play, and that makes them go elsewhere for their events. And if SWB2 is or at least was, one of the most popular events at ER and so 2 events a month is warranted. The event in the 5th week of the month only gets a couple players in it not because people are burnt out, its because that 5th week event was a heroes event and well, most people consider heroes to be a joke mode and so they arent going to be into playing it as much as they will play conquest. If people play other games that have events at the same time as a battlefront 2 event then they can sit the battlefront 2 event out easy enough. If you are in an event and you just feel like playing another game then go ahead an play it (just make sure you turn off xfire first or you might get accused of blackballing as a couple DW found out the hard way).
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-26 7:39 PM
Post #19643 - In reply to #19504
Waiting an entire month to play is fine. SOME clans, like eX, do like to have practice sessions with each other so that we actually have the chance to get better and grow as a team. If you look at the events for BF2 for the last month or so youll see very little activity from us. There are 2 reasons for this. First reason is that its just too many events, and many of our top players are too burnt out to play. Second is that there have been a few....incidents with other clans, where even though they smoke us by an astounding amount, they are very poor winners about it. If you win, thats fine, but dont taunt ppl over xfire or MSN or whatever about it. Its people like that who give ER events a bad rep. I know of a few clans personally that have dropped ER over time becasue of this fact alone. Can we fix it? NO, but being sportsmanlike goes a long way towards making the next event or even the next match a successful and fun-filled one.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-27 8:44 PM
Post #19650 - In reply to #19643
Originally written by eX FooKage on 2007-09-26 11:39 AM

If you look at the events for BF2 for the last month or so youll see very little activity from us. There are 2 reasons for this. First reason is that its just too many events, and many of our top players are too burnt out to play.


Then this is a perfect example of what i am saying. If you are burning out on 2 events a month then all you have to do is not play in one. That is it. Any clan who doesnt burn out on 2 events a month can keep playing. Any clan that does burn out can stop playing both. It is quite possibly the most simple fix anybody will ever come up with, but because your clan personally cant handle 2 events a month is no reason to take away an event from a clan that likes 2 events a month, especially when the reason you are burning out in the first place is because you keep signing up for 2 events a month knowing full well it will burn out your members.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-09-28 12:45 PM
Post #19660 - In reply to #19504
Yeah, but you know what Krayt? I sign up our club for ALL BF events. Its up to the members if they choose to play in the event itself. Then we start to get other clans accusing us of black balling because we wont play them, and they think its because of the event. Well you know what ppl? Many of us have real lives and dont want to play video games all the time. Just becasue Im on XFIRE doesnt mean I want to play you. Just because im PLAYING BF2, doesnt mean I want a match, or that I am avoiding you. Ever heard of a clan practice? If not, you should try it sometime, its great fun!

Thats my rant.

I couldnt care less if people want to accuse eX of blackballing. And you ppl know exactly who you are. If we are going to CONTINUE to get accused of it then we will most likely pull out of ER.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-10-10 9:01 PM
Post #19866 - In reply to #19643
I just dont understand the sense in dropping events just because SOME clans get burnt out. There may be some clkans who enjoy 2 events a month, and if you take 1 out just because some clans dont like it ur taking away the fun for other ppl. And if u dont like 2 events, then of course dont sign up for 1 and it doesnt effect u. yes, I'm new but the fact of taking an eventy away for that reason seems like a pretty bad reason to me.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-10-12 7:47 PM
Post #19893 - In reply to #19504
The problem that people are failing to see is there is a competition for awards/ratings/points and so on between clubs and players. So if one club signs up, the other feels obligated to do so as well. Merely not signing up gives the other club an advantage to get ahead of the other.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-10-13 6:50 AM
Post #19917 - In reply to #19504
Anyone up for CL meeting? I think that would be good. CrazyTurtle mentioned something about allowing others listening in. I'm kinda 50/50 on that. Don't know what harm that would do. Ummmm ex foo... one event a month? Hmmm well all i can say is J.O.V_ might be here 2 or 3 times a year with all the games/events that we don't play here.

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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-10-13 5:21 PM
Post #19924 - In reply to #19504
Yeah, I agree with you Zen. Are weekends a good time for everyone, or should we try mid-week?
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-11-07 1:23 AM
Post #21058 - In reply to #19504
Sorry that I'm late on this, but i think that the idea of a ladder + 1 event is a great idea, and the clan leader meeting is also great.

Here is my input, if this were to happen, the leaders would pick one or 2 trusted members to come with them, and speak on behalf of the clan.This is only my opinion, it would only lessen the load of saying the right thing, heres an example of what i mean by this.

Suppose that the meeting was going on, and all clan members were there to witness it, now mind that all of the members are muted except for leaders, and say.... dX Games Of The Dead is there. Now just imagine that some at ER had a grudge with him, and say something directly at him, and he goes into an anti ER mode, this would bring upon another DE/TR situation which none of us want to happen again.

Again, this is only my opinion.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-11-07 1:40 AM
Post #21061 - In reply to #19504
I know this isnt my area but here is my 2 cents.
when it was SWBF1 there was 1 tornie a month wich is plenty of time for practice,internal scrims and pubing. when SWBF2 came out there were just too many modes of play between conquest,CTF,space and jedi arena wich if you were in a SW clan you barley had time for practice with your clan cause you were allways playing a tornie,scaleing down between the modes sounds like your best bet and since SWBF1 is still here it can only help by lessing the stress of a tornie 2 games 1 mode gives you something to work on as a unit and in the end your clan wont be burned out. as for saber week and the others well i never did like those games anyway but it is a staple here. so like you said if your getting burned out sit out its that simple.
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-11-07 2:07 AM
Post #21066 - In reply to #19504
I don't know what Strider is talking about or who he is, but I think your opinion reflects a general consensus of people here DravinClaw. It's difficult for club captains to merely sit their club out of an event, for fear of falling behind in "points". Regardless of what is claimed in regards to a solution that is being implemented, your opinion is important and we will do our best to incorporate everyone's when we make our decision. We won't say "That's great but we already got it so shove it" lol.
I haven't heard from any of the Club captains yet in regards to a meeting date, so I will attempt to set one up at a convenient time for everyone. Please reply or PM me should you have suggested times for it. Thanks guys
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Subject : RE: Monthly Events
Posted : 2007-11-07 10:48 AM
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Originally written by BobaFett on 2007-11-07 2:07 AM

Regardless of what is claimed in regards to a solution that is being implemented, your opinion is important and we will do our best to incorporate everyone's when we make our decision. We won't say "That's great but we already got it so shove it" lol.
I haven't heard from any of the Club captains yet in regards to a meeting date, so I will attempt to set one up at a convenient time for everyone. Please reply or PM me should you have suggested times for it. Thanks guys


In a sense didnt you already basically say shove it to a lot of clans?I mean Flag/Space was taken out of the regular rotation simply because DR and eX complained?I wouldnt call that asking people what they think.I have talked to several clans who were never even contacted or asked thier opinion and the events were removed regardless.So yes I would have to question wether you care what people think or not.But then again you have to actually contact people and ask thier opinion before just making changes,now you already went and made the schedule changes a while ago and asking after the fact what people think?From what I read just in this post I saw more arguments for keeping the old rotation then for changing it.


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Posted : 2007-11-07 6:02 PM
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Originally written by RagE_Visualizer on 2007-11-07 10:48 AM

Originally written by BobaFett on 2007-11-07 2:07 AM

Regardless of what is claimed in regards to a solution that is being implemented, your opinion is important and we will do our best to incorporate everyone's when we make our decision. We won't say "That's great but we already got it so shove it" lol.
I haven't heard from any of the Club captains yet in regards to a meeting date, so I will attempt to set one up at a convenient time for everyone. Please reply or PM me should you have suggested times for it. Thanks guys


In a sense didnt you already basically say shove it to a lot of clans?I mean Flag/Space was taken out of the regular rotation simply because DR and eX complained?I wouldnt call that asking people what they think.I have talked to several clans who were never even contacted or asked thier opinion and the events were removed regardless.So yes I would have to question wether you care what people think or not.But then again you have to actually contact people and ask thier opinion before just making changes,now you already went and made the schedule changes a while ago and asking after the fact what people think?From what I read just in this post I saw more arguments for keeping the old rotation then for changing it.



I think we do not need to stir this pot again. There have been requests since mid-year when we went to the set schedule of requests to stop the dual events a month due to club burnout. I've brought this up to you many times. In addition, since the club-wide arguments and internal events were created, there was no official activity, so it is pointless to maintain such a schedule if no one is playing.
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